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| {uZa}Bodybagfiller wrote: | | Capt.Spamada wrote: | | No one answered my Questions on how Noah got all the animals on land that at the time they never knew existed? |
God put them on the ark, not Noah. |
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| {uZa}Bodybagfiller wrote: | | Capt.Spamada wrote: | | No one answered my Questions on how Noah got all the animals on land that at the time they never knew existed? |
God put them on the ark, not Noah. |
this, like the many other examples show how Biblical Theory changes to suit the needs of the argument. the text says: "and of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt THOU bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female". THOU as in NOAH, no I as in GOD.
and check out Renegade's posts on Space Sounds http://www.spacesounds.com/home/index.html
hover over the bubble of "Big Bang Remnants". OK, so we haven't figured out what existed before the Big Bang, but again, we have incontrovertible evidence that it DID HAPPEN.
Before the Bang? http://www.superstringtheory.com/cosmo/cosmo4.html
and you other points are merely twists of my words, and answers to every question with another question or a fortune cookie response.
And Dellis, and Studdog, keep up the good work. this shows that people can have a legitimate argument (defined as: controversy: a contentious speech act; a dispute where there is strong disagreement), without running away crying, or deciding we are going to blow each other up.
And while I may not agree with your views, I don't think any less or any worse of you for them. As a Veteran, I put my ass on the line for you to do just that. So,...
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:25 am Post subject:
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Oops, I thought I was coming to a game clan forum where we discuss games, technology and fun stuff. Instead, I find myself on a religious discussion group forum. I do not believe anything good can come from discussing religion or politics here. It can only lead to ill will and hurt feelings. I'm going to go play a game now and have some fun.
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:55 am Post subject:
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| {uZa}Hugh Jass wrote: |
Oops, I thought I was coming to a game clan forum where we discuss games, technology and fun stuff. Instead, I find myself on a religious discussion group forum. I do not believe anything good can come from discussing religion or politics here. It can only lead to ill will and hurt feelings. I'm going to go play a game now and have some fun. |
Hehe, I thought there was no talk of Religion, Politics or Sex on the boards!
Ok. Well maybe Sex! 
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:01 am Post subject:
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| {uZa}Bodybagfiller wrote: | | Capt.Spamada wrote: | | No one answered my Questions on how Noah got all the animals on land that at the time they never knew existed? |
God put them on the ark, not Noah. |
Are you sure? I thought it was the Sierra Club. 
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:20 am Post subject:
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| uZa 10K wrote: | | {uZa}Bodybagfiller wrote: | | Capt.Spamada wrote: | | No one answered my Questions on how Noah got all the animals on land that at the time they never knew existed? |
God put them on the ark, not Noah. |
this, like the many other examples show how Biblical Theory changes to suit the needs of the argument. the text says: "and of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt THOU bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female". THOU as in NOAH, no I as in GOD.
and check out Renegade's posts on Space Sounds http://www.spacesounds.com/home/index.html
hover over the bubble of "Big Bang Remnants". OK, so we haven't figured out what existed before the Big Bang, but again, we have incontrovertible evidence that it DID HAPPEN.
Before the Bang? http://www.superstringtheory.com/cosmo/cosmo4.html
and you other points are merely twists of my words, and answers to every question with another question or a fortune cookie response.
And Dellis, and Studdog, keep up the good work. this shows that people can have a legitimate argument (defined as: controversy: a contentious speech act; a dispute where there is strong disagreement), without running away crying, or deciding we are going to blow each other up.
And while I may not agree with your views, I don't think any less or any worse of you for them. As a Veteran, I put my ass on the line for you to do just that. So,... |
Eh,,,I first want to thank you 10K for a great topic and I personally love the topic and I think others have had a great time reading all the different views. I do not believe that anyone is hurt or offended, I know I'm not. Afterall they are views on a subject and while these debates can be very emotional at times I do not see that happening here for all have been very civil. And I also thank you for your service for in most countries we would not be allowed to discuss anything of this sort in public.
Now while you have given Scripture to support your view you have only given a sound bite because Genesis 6:20 gives us the fuller picture.
| Quote: | | Of the birds after their kind, and of the animals after their kind, of every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive. |
So it was God who brought the animals to Noah and then Noah had about 120 years to....lets say become a zoologist of sorts. 
Again I have enjoyed this little romp down memory lane. I'm not your average "Bible Thumping Christian" that throws out Bible verse after Bible verse at everyone who I disagree with nor do I seek to belittle people with threats of hell and burning fire. Look at my replies, where have I used any Bible passages to support my views? Have I made mention of Scripture and Biblical people? Sure I have but I do not wack people over the head with a Bible.
I have debated for years and years all sorts, Mormons, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, pagans, wiccans, Unitarians and yes even Bible believing "Christians" and their weird doctrines like speaking in tongues, sending out a blessed hanky for money and I have personally debated some of these "faith healers" you see on TV. These guys make my skin crawl as they drag Jesus through the mud and blacken His eye. I sought to totally annihilate and destroy the beliefs of people whether it be through Biblical passages and how they twist and misinterpret Scripture or through a philosophical argument. I no longer cared about sharing Christ with others in love but rather I got excited about the hunt and being able to belittle people in their beliefs. I was very good at it, to the point that even my family would not like to discuss much of anything with me because I would analyze all they said and look for ways to debate them. I was on 15 different forums plus chat rooms all dealing with religion and beliefs of some sort. It consumed me and took me away from family and work.
I read all sorts of books so I knew what the "enemy" would reply to me. I read the Mormon Bible and their books, the Jehovah Witness Bible and their books on doctrine, I studied Greek and Hebrew I would even visit Jewish Synagogue to ask the Rabbi's questions. If I didn't know anything about a belief, say "wicca", I would confront them and allow them to whip all over me because this allowed me to learn their arguments, study up on them and then go back for another confrontation but this time I would seek to again totally annihilate them, even make fun of them. Sometimes they would get angry others would just leave or others, depending if it was on line or in person, get emotional....and I would then pound my chest and feel wonderful about myself! After all I did a great thing right? I was sharing the gospel!
Wrong! I was doing it for ME and me alone. Jesus and His gospel had taken a back seat to me glorifying myself. I was miserable in reality for everyone was an idiot but me. I suddenly knew why people in chat rooms would no longer speak with me so I had to change my screen name and eventually I just quit debating cold turkey. Instead I devoted more time to family and work and had to re-form myself so to speak...or allow God to re-shape me and my mode of thinking. Now I would rather seek to "teach" people, both Believers and non-believers and while this is done through debate I no longer seek to annihilate people and their beliefs nor can I "save" anyone for God alone brings people to Him. I, as a Christian, can save no one.
I think that this is again a great topic and I see no problem with it on this forum.
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:45 am Post subject:
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no problem at all, as long as we dont tell eachother what we should or should not believe
i read a lot of forums about sience and religion and find it very interesting to read everyones view on this
the amounth of respect we have for eachothers opinion is hard to find on the other forums and im proud of that 
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Well put guys!
Our posts on this subject really show how mature the uZa clan and others are. If this were to have turned ugly, I think it would have been dropped by most of us. I for one am not offended. Actually I would like to say that I could give more questions that would appear to support evolution or that God is not a living loving being. I have chosen not to, because that is not what I believe. I do apologize for not being able to give the best explainations of my faith. I have been formally educated in evolution, but not in creation. The best I can give on creation is what I know to be in Gods word and from the small amount of my own personal studying. I also don't have the greatest grammer; I can't tell the difference between a fairy tell and a fairies tail. 
I am trying the best to describe my views and really have enjoyed the views of others. I think we have done a great job with this discussion.
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:55 am Post subject:
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| {uZa}Boobot wrote: |
What happens with every one of these debates is that the religious folks will end up with one word "faith" and the scientific folks will say "proven scientific methods". |
That is very true! Yet, I don’t know how anyone could not think it takes faith to believe either way though. We can do many things in laboratories that will support our theories, but this will never prove what happened millions of years ago. What if there are other theories that could also have worked and evidence could be interpreted to support them. What if science can test things in a lab that is still in agreement with these other theories? All we can prove is it may have been possible, but this does not prove it happened. A possible past of millions of years is not observable. Yes we can look at evidence, but there may be two ways that evidence could still be true. Also there are many assumptions that must be made when dealing with origins. This may be a poor example, but it’s the first to come to mind; A fossil proves that something lived and died. It technically can’t prove to be the ancestor of anything. How do you prove that particular creature had any children or any that lived? Well you can’t, so you must assume or believe it did. Other assumptions may be based on ones prior conceived beliefs as Dellis has done a well job of describing. Most evolutionists are taught and showed things from the perspective of long time and no God. Why would you expect them to go into a field of science and not already have this pre-perceived concept when they do research? It’s how there mind was programmed or educated. Raise a child up and tell them everyday they are ugly. Even if the child is beautiful or handsome, you will probably still have a devastating effect on the child. Yet they could look in the mirror and have the evidence right in front of there nose. If you date a rock and get conflicting results, then it must be contaminated or wait look for a fossil. If you believe this fossil to be of a certain age then that is the correct age for the rock. Yes, yes, I know of the many ways things are dated, but there are still assumptions that are made. You can believe your ideas as much as you want, but that is still faith and not science.
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This is my only Reply to this Post..............
Tenk... ok u have Posted Stuff like this Before and have REcieved the Same Response..NOBODY LIKES IT.... What Would make u think if u posted something about the Samethings We would Change Are Minds.....
I dont think u really Understand How People Are
I know Im only 15 yrs old But atleast I have the COmmon Desincy(spelling is Bad) To not Post Things That Always Bring Contrivercy...
This is A friends and Family Site..Why Stir everyone Up Over Stuff like This
Yeah u may think u are Some Hot $hit posting" O its tru I know it" or What ever the hell u are trying to do....
What did u Expect to Accomplish From this Post..Now Thats a Question For u..
So I just Think u Should Leave The Religion Stuff To The News and Other Media and Leave All that Crap outta Here
Sly a.k.a Tyler Rhea
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Life is Controversial.
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:10 pm Post subject:
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Sly,
This was for deep discussion. Nobody got insulted. Nobody is calling names. Debates should be supported not feared. Some of the reading is pretty thought provoking. When you read this you need to read it with an open mind. If you have something to add then add it. Sure people have tried to make people laugh. I tried but it didn't work.  Dellis, 10k, and Studdog eat this stuff up. Man if that is their ball of wax so be it. If it is not yours you don't have to read it. I am pretty sure if some body was getting way too heated like Studdog said many would have just stop posting.
I think there should be more debates.
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject:
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Debates FTW! They are so much fun
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Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject:
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hey sly
you are right, this is a friends forum
the regulars and members are all friends and some are interested in how we look at the world, these are things you discuss with friends imo
please keep it going in a friendly way as i am curious about everyones look upon the world
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