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OK gang back on topic! 
Don't pick up strangers EVER! They will just leave pot in your ride and then u'll get stopped by the PoPo and.....BUSTED!
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Being a Pobation Officer, I have also seen a LOT of people go down the crapper because of Pot. From what I have seen, it's not the weed, but the people you associate ypurself with when buying/using it. If they have weed, chances are they have other stuff to use as well.
I say legalize it, then tax it at 50% to fund our medicare system, which already is careing for these potheads with lungs that look like a tar-pit. At least we will get some cash.
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Lets see here... You have a product that can be grown in any home, with no real need for any kind of special equipment or talent... It generates it's own seeds, hence once you start, you never have to buy anything ever again to continue growing it... Harvesting it costs nothing, and it can be used by it's grower(s)...
I'm thinking that the main reason pot has never been legalized is because unlike alcohol, the government really has no way to tax it... Same reason moonshine is illegal...
Just my not so humble opinion... I know people who smoke a little once in a great while, and I know people who drink once in a great while... Personally I choose not smoke pot, but I will have a drink every so often... Maybe 2-3 times a year...
I also have known people who take one or both to extreme levels of usage, and hence cannot hold jobs or function as a normal human being in society... I have zero respect for those people... And in fact severed all ties to my family because of it... Just not my kind of people...
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| Cynic and Hogan I agree with you totally. I have seen many many people as Hogan has that started with pot. Not all but most of them are empty shells of what they use to be. And lets just say you are one of the lucky ones that didn't move up to something harder. Most of the people not all but still most are still in bad shape for supposedly only smoking pot. And they will swear up and down that its not hurting them either. You don't normally hear a addict say oh I have a problem and I cant stop, if they did they wouldnt most likely be an addict anymore. Also legalize it is not the answer if its hurting people when its illegal, peoeple that wouldnt use it will start to use it and it would screw up even more peoples lives.Not saying anyone here is an addict just stating my opinion not that it's the opinion of staff or management.
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject:
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| 1terribleshot wrote: | | Cynic and Hogan I agree with you totally. I have seen many many people as Hogan has that started with pot. Not all but most of them are empty shells of what they use to be. And lets just say you are one of the lucky ones that didn't move up to something harder. Most of the people not all but still most are still in bad shape for supposedly only smoking pot. And they will swear up and down that its not hurting them either. You don't normally hear a addict say oh I have a problem and I cant stop, if they did they wouldnt most likely be an addict anymore. Also legalize it is not the answer if its hurting people when its illegal, peoeple that wouldnt use it will start to use it and it would screw up even more peoples lives.Not saying anyone here is an addict just stating my opinion not that it's the opinion of staff or management. |
This may come as a shock to some, but the exact same things can be stated about alcohol... Should we go back to prohibition and make it illegal as well??? Probably not... (Stop panicking MattBaker) My point is that if you want to have a drink, or a smoke, in the comfort of your own home, more power to you... I don't see how it's anybody's business but yours...
At the same time, I am an advocate for much stiffer penalties for DUI, OWI, or whatever it's called in the various states... But that will never happen, at least not here in Indiana, because a majority of the law makers are either borderline, or total alcoholics themselves...
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| {uZa}HiTechRedneck wrote: | | 1terribleshot wrote: | | Cynic and Hogan I agree with you totally. I have seen many many people as Hogan has that started with pot. Not all but most of them are empty shells of what they use to be. And lets just say you are one of the lucky ones that didn't move up to something harder. Most of the people not all but still most are still in bad shape for supposedly only smoking pot. And they will swear up and down that its not hurting them either. You don't normally hear a addict say oh I have a problem and I cant stop, if they did they wouldnt most likely be an addict anymore. Also legalize it is not the answer if its hurting people when its illegal, peoeple that wouldnt use it will start to use it and it would screw up even more peoples lives.Not saying anyone here is an addict just stating my opinion not that it's the opinion of staff or management. |
This may come as a shock to some, but the exact same things can be stated about alcohol... Should we go back to prohibition and make it illegal as well??? Probably not... (Stop panicking MattBaker) My point is that if you want to have a drink, or a smoke, in the comfort of your own home, more power to you... I don't see how it's anybody's business but yours...
At the same time, I am an advocate for much stiffer penalties for DUI, OWI, or whatever it's called in the various states... But that will never happen, at least not here in Indiana, because a majority of the law makers are either borderline, or total alcoholics themselves... |
couldnt agree more.
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject:
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OWI, here in Indiana is a huge problem I agree but why add more fuel to the fire by letting people smoke pot and drive. Yes it already happens just not alot yet.. If there's a problem with something why add something else to make it worse.  . Cause while it is illegal alot less people will do it than if it was legalized.
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Ok, I guess this topic isn't going to die anytime soon, so I might as well jump back in.
I agree that alcohol is just as bad as many drugs out there. I also believe that drug laws are inconsistent, arbitrary, and ineffective. Hell, you can get more time in jail for having a blunt in your pocket than you can for driving drunk. I hope I made it clear in my earlier post that I have never used either drugs or alcohol. I simply do not understand why anyone would want to get "altered," but there are those who do.
I play ice hockey and sit in a locker room full of grown men who brag about how drunk they have gotten. Whatever paddles your canoe, I guess. Frankly, I don't care to be around people who are getting high or acting stupid because they are "messed up." Having said all that you may be surprised to know that I am not averse to the idea of legalizing drugs. I think the idea has some merit, given the failed "War on Drugs."
The reason the war has failed is because of the reasons I mentioned above, regarding drug laws. That and we just have far too many weak people in our culture who seem to NEED to get high and tune out. Now that I have gotten your attention with the legalize drugs statement please allow me to assert my further beliefs on how this can be done.
If you want to kill your brain cells, destroy your lungs, smell bad, and generally dumb yourself down, that's your business and you have the right as a human being to be as stupid as you want to be. It is not the government's role to keep you from being stupid or making mistakes as you go through each day. It is the government's responsibility to assure that you do not harm others or violate anyone else's rights along the way.
I think the old "Opium Dens" of the 19th century may be the way to go. Let some intrepid entrepreneur set up a building(s) where people may pay a fee to use a room to imbibe in the drug or their choice. They can use as much, as often as they like. However, they must obey certain rules that assure they do not go out into the streets and risk harming others. The user must STAY IN THE BUILDING until they can pass a sobriety test. If they leave before then they are subject to harsh penalties/jail time. If they drive a car and harm someone or damage property - mandatory jail time, and lots of it. If they kill another person their life is forfeit - either life in prison or a needle in the arm (hey, it's just more drugs).
Those of us who choose to remain sober and lucid should not have to live in fear of some junkie, legal or otherwise, harming us or our loved ones. Your right to use drugs or drink alcohol ends when it threatens my safety. So let's legalize drugs and let the junkies do themselves in. As long as they stay someplace where they can cause no harm to others I have no problem with it.
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject:
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Our countrys seems very different, You can smoke pot in public here, and the cops will just walk by. They really dont have a problem, they even joke with you. Kensington a area in my city is the hippie center for here, you can see tons of people just relaxing in the park having a joint and not bothering anyone, and the crime rate for the area is very low.
I respect all your views towards it, i just dont think it should be portrayed as a monster.
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I found that kinda odd, has anyone ever been afraid of a guy smoking a joint?
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject:
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| Capt.Spamada wrote: | | I found that kinda odd, has anyone ever been afraid of a guy smoking a joint? |
While I find such people annoying in the extreme I do not fear them, unless and until they get behind the wheel of a car. Even a person who is high on pot is impaired and can be dangerous when operating a two-thousand pound missile.
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Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject:
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| {uZa}fcbcynic wrote: | Ok, I guess this topic isn't going to die anytime soon, so I might as well jump back in.
I agree that alcohol is just as bad as many drugs out there. I also believe that drug laws are inconsistent, arbitrary, and ineffective. Hell, you can get more time in jail for having a blunt in your pocket than you can for driving drunk...........
............Having said all that you may be surprised to know that I am not averse to the idea of legalizing drugs. I think the idea has some merit, given the failed "War on Drugs." |
Maybe we should open up the borders to immigrants; we seem to have the same issues with illegal immigrants. 
I do agree that the government needs to be more aggressive at enforcing laws and have stiffer penalties for law breakers. I don't care what anyone does legally in their own home, but when it puts children or others in danger that's when the government needs to step in. Then you have to ask; where do we draw the line? Is it okay to smoke tobacco in a car with an infant? How about in your own house? What if your children are fat due to lifestyle or poor diet; should the parent be held accountable? If so, then who decides at what weight it's considered abuse? This is a Pandora’s Box.
I say let's quit making new laws based on who's controlling the cash flow and get back to common sense and same goes for punishment for law breakers. Unfortunately common sense got thrown out with the book that tells us what life is really about (my not so humble opinion  ). Now it’s a free for all. Judges are now basically making laws instead of interpreting them. Law makers are for themselves and not the people. The federal government has stepped way past its intended purpose.
Should Mary Jane be legal? My vote is no. I don’t think our society could handle it being legal. We can’t even handle alcohol. I would like to see alcohol made illegal. Obviously alcohol is not going to be made illegal, so relax. There are lots of innocent people dying and lives being destroyed from alcohol. Yet our government wants to spend millions of dollars on stupid things like how to stop a child from drowning in a five gallon bucket. Why don’t we spend the millions on enforcing current alcohol laws? Why don’t we bring justice to those who do not know how to handle alcohol correctly? If you want to drink, that is fine it’s legal and I hope you enjoy it in a legal way. Yet how can a drunk driver keep getting repetitive arrests.  The drunk driver is putting people’s lives in jeopardy every time he drives. Here’s the worst example I ever heard of: a family got hit in a mini van by a drunk driver. The van caught on fire and the parents escaped. The parents were not able to get the children out and had to listen to the children scream to death while burning. If I were to shoot a can with a 22 in a yard in the city, I would get in greater trouble. What causes more innocent deaths per year; target shooting with a gun or drinking and driving? The answer is to take away guns but not take away alcohol???? Maybe the car manufacturers need to be held accountable for deaths caused by drunk driving. That’s what we think should be done to gun manufacturers. It seems the punishment doesn’t fit the crimes anymore. This is why I think we have lost our roots, common sense, and that our current society couldn’t handle legalized pot.
To sum it up: don’t pick-up hitchhikers. They will only get you into trouble!
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Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:27 am Post subject:
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I dont know who you are morgoth but I think you smoked too much of it. I have seen the lives it has destroyed with my own eyes. I wish you knew what you were talking about.
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| Capt.Spamada wrote: |
I respect all your views towards it, i just dont think it should be portrayed as a monster.
I found that kinda odd, has anyone ever been afraid of a guy smoking a joint? |
as do i im not a criminal or a trouble maker i have a habbit its not a addiction ive gone months with out smoking. yah ok it kills brain cells its bad for you hell what isnt bad for you breathing our air is bad for us.
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| ^sM()k3© wrote: |
as do i im not a criminal or a trouble maker i have a habbit its not a addiction ive gone months with out smoking.
yah ok it kills brain cells its bad for you hell what isnt bad for you breathing our air is bad for us. |
Not a criminal, well you must not live in the USA. It's not legal to smoke pot here.
Oh yes, we all have to die some how. Might as well die screaming or at least wishing you could but don't have the lungs to do it.
I will have to admit that smoking pot is better for you than having Hillary as president!
The truth is that pot scientists have proven over and over that no one in the world really smokes. They are just the suckers!
Okay, I'll stop, it's getting late. 
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| {uZa}Studdog +SC+ wrote: | | ^sM()k3© wrote: |
as do i im not a criminal or a trouble maker i have a habbit its not a addiction ive gone months with out smoking.
yah ok it kills brain cells its bad for you hell what isnt bad for you breathing our air is bad for us. |
Not a criminal, well you must not live in the USA. It's not legal to smoke pot here.
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no i dont i live in CANADA. 
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