Cool... I'm part monkey. And so are you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXdQRvSdLAs

Finally... undeniable proof of Evolution that Creationists cannot refute.

Let me say that this is a proud day in Man's history. We can finally say we know where we come from.

It is also a sad day in Man's history, because 70% of the World's population will refuse to accept the factual data proving our lineage... and continue to kill each other in the name of a God that does not exist.

PLEASE LET ME CLARIFY!!! I am not poo-pooing the existence of "God" or a "Higher Power". But, the "God" that so many believe in, and in whose name hundreds of millions have been slaughtered, the God of the Bible [the Old Testament being written by slaves who did not even know there was a "rest of the World", and the New Testament being written by monks 600 years after the death of Christ (whom I believe existed) that were "fasting" (a tradition of eating no food save what is known as Abbot Ale that is 13 to 15% alcohol) and looking for a means to maintain and expand the power base they had created through fire and sword] has been shown NOT to be the creator of Man.

I do believe in a higher order of the Universe. I do believe there is a destiny for Mankind. I believe that this proof is a key to the shackles of our past. I just hope I am not killed by one of "God's" followers before I can see our species reach it's potential.

Woot... I'm part monkey!!!
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject:

i believe there is a god, and i Do believe in Evolution, you cant really shrug evolution off and call it a hoax.

But i like the way he clarified that in the video.

But fighting under the name of god is sad, and that is why i dislike Organized religion.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject:

Dellis, thank you for your thoughtful contributions. My perspective comes from a sincere following of evidence for both sides. The problem with each side of the argument was the lack of empirical data. Now, such data exists.

the "God that does not exist" belief (of mine) is the "God" that men make for themselves. Such a God cannot exist for the very reason that Man cannot know the mind of God. Remember, I said I do believe in a higher power. I simply do not believe that a specific group of people from over 1500 years ago were able to know the mind of such a being. I was raised in the Church, and from a very young age had trouble reconciling the "Word" with the application.

I believe we must understand ourselves and where we came from, as well as where we can go from here. My 1st point, my good friend, is that the realization that we were not created a few thousand years ago by an Almighty being will not be heard by the majority of the World, again, despite the overwhelming empirical evidence to the contrary, and that heinous acts will continue to be perpetrated in "His" name.

And I don't have all the answers, and in fact have a lot more questions. Thanks again for contributing... Too many people are afraid to say what they think. We hide our beliefs and get angry when others don't acknowledge them. Please, rebut as you see fit... this is a deep subject, one we usually don't talk about here.... But we have a brotherhood here... one that allows us the intimacy to speak frankly... as well as a general level of intelligence that allows us to understand that differing points of view don't require us to kill each other. You have to thank God for that.
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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:19 pm Post subject:

So you are saying that all the monkeys out there will become humans one day? Smile

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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:11 pm Post subject:

Well put Dellis!

I don't think the guy proves anything. He has a theory, but to say something is similiar is not proof of how it came into being. I could write for days about how evolution is a big joke. Let's pick time for instance and I'll state a few ideas;

The oceans are salty due to rain on land that carries minerals to the ocean. The salt in the oceans appears to be from less than 20,000 years. Why are the oceans not like the Dead Sea if they are millions of years old.

Gravity is getting weaker. If the world is 10,000 years old that's not a problem. If it's millions, the dinosaurs would have not been able to move or live, due to high gravity.

The earth spins and is slowing down. If it's millions of years old, then nothing would have survived the winds alone due to the high speed spinning of the past.

The sun is shrinking at 5 feet per hour in diameter, again not a problem for a young earth. Millions of years, that would be a big problem!

Look at the spirals on the galaxies. Why are they there? The center is spinning faster than the outer. Take a cup of coffee and add cream. Stir the center slowly and you will see spirals. They won't last very long though; it will eventually get mixed up. Maybe the galaxies aren't 4.3 billion years old. Hmmm!

The list goes on and on. Evolution is a fairy tail believed by those who fear a God. An evolutionist may say he is afraid of creationists, but really it's God they fear. Watch how some evolutionists will say they are religious, but will get extremely mad at the thought of a supreme creator. Then who do they serve?

We are making huge leaps in knowledge in recent years. Unfortunately, creationism is not being taught. This leads to a lot higher amount of people being taught only one side. Is that a real education or indoctrination? Gee wonder why most scientist have a preconcieved idea of millions of years? You want an education, learn both sides. I recently visited the new creation museum and they state evolution and creationism views on every display. The truth really stands out when side by side. I have studied both and I have found it takes faith to believe in creation or evolution. I put my faith in the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Why are evolutionists so afraid of both sides being taught? I would say because it puts the fear of God in them, and that makes them very uncomfortable.

You should never base your life and soul on what other people think or say. If you want to know if God is for real then seek him, he will not hide from you. I picked up a King James version of the Bible and read, prayed, and God never hid from me. I found I was loved by a living God who was willing to die for me. There is no greater love than that! You will find there are lots of religious views. Ask God to show you the truth and lead you in the correct way.

It is cool you were willing to post on such a sensitive topic. I really enjoy studying creationism. To further elaborate, I am a Baptist, KJV Bible Believing Creationist, Christian. I believe the world is about 10,000 years old just like the bible claims. I am not offended by your post, and I hope I did not offend anyone with mine. Just wanted to share my humble opinion. Cool

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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:11 am Post subject:

How many YEC's are out there?
And that Museum in the u.s is just silly was watching the news on it and seemed silly saying a Tyrannosaurus rex was a plant eater.

Arguing about Creationism and Evolution(not saying anyone here is), is a get no where debate, both sides have high egos and both will after reading or hearing what one says they wont change there mind, i have seen it on other forums.
After all the evidence one sides shows, the other side will just say it is a theory or that is has no point what so ever.

But i do have a few questions that no one ever seems to answer and maybe some one here might,

-If god made us in his Image, well then why does a Native American Looks different physically to lets say some one from China.

-And why are so many Transitional Fossils being found?

-No Creationist has ever explained, the Soil layers to me.

-Any Creationist want to show me there views on Fossil records?

-And why are things still Evolving to this date, if Evolution is just a theory?

I am looking forward to hear any answers Very Happy

Oh and im just a kid wanting to learn everyones views on it lol, so dont get offended if i said anything or come off as a bit strong.

Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:34 am Post subject:

Good response. So much of the internet is lost to the flotsam and jetsam, and honest arguments are too often lost in the sea of retardedness. That Paris Hilton going to jail got far more internet press than this is surely a symptom of the squandered power of the greatest communicating tool ever invented.

most of your points can be proven wrong with actual math and physics, but I'm not saying YOU are wrong. Again, I believe in a higher power, but I do not believe we are able to understand it at this point in our existence, much less thousands of years ago. I also don;t believe that "science" has all the answers. But I do believe that everything is eventual, and the day will come when the gap between what "is" and what "isn't" narrows, and eventually flip-flops.

We know that dinosaurs did exist... we know that they moved around... Salts group together and are deposited back on land where they are carried around the Earth by wind...

After 3.5 billion years the planet's rotation had slowed to 20.11 hours per day/night cycle and at a 100,000,000 years ago its rotation period had slowed to 23.6 hours, not that much different than the present rate. 100 MILLION YEARS! The earliest fossil (indisputable hard evidence of existence) records of Man's youngest possible ancestor are only 6 million years old. Thats a difference of 23.9 hours per day vs 24.0 hours per day. The Bible teaches that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old. Again, the Bible was written by men who had no idea of the World around them, and the Bible has been subject to revisionist history since it's inception. Come on... the Vatican (chief share holders inf "the Bible") didn't admit until 1992 that Galileo was right about the Earth moving around the Sun... to quote Pope Urban the 8th "The proposition that the sun is in the center of the world and immovable from its place is absurd, philosophically false, and formally heretical; because it is expressly contrary to Holy Scriptures"

Sun Shrinking? http://www.tim-thompson.com/resp8.html

"Evolution is a fairy tail believed by those who fear a God. An evolutionist may say he is afraid of creationists, but really it's God they fear. Watch how some evolutionists will say they are religious, but will get extremely mad at the thought of a supreme creator. Then who do they serve?"

I don't take your points personally (except that you said "fairy tail", when "fairy tale" is the appropriate term Razz

), and I hope you don't take mine that way, either, but... How is Evolution the "Fairy Tale?" there is no magic involved, there is no divine intervention, there is only what is reproducible in hard evidence. If one doesn't believe that evolution is possible, one must not believe in dogs.
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and Canada, you are right to want to know. The path to enlightenment begins with the desire to know truth for truth's sake. Just watch out for cynicism and steer clear of dogmas from either side... learn all you can and make your own judgments.
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:48 am Post subject:

I'm in agreement with Dellis 100%. No point in re-stating what he said.
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Oh and the T-rex thing, the Museum was saying they were strictly plant eaters. So that is why i mentioned it
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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:11 am Post subject:

hmm... apes are not meat eaters... mostly true. apes to have two sets of sharp fang-like teeth. Humans also have those same teeth, just not as pronounced.

the T-Rex, as an example, is but one variety of a species. T-Rexes, of course, were primarily meat eaters... the hundreds of millions of years it existed show that it got better (to a point) at eating meat... the design of its jaw, teeth, (the uselessness of it's arms when 25% of it's body was MOUTH) etc. But one can not believe in the T-Rex by virtue of the belief in Biblical Creationism. Again, the Bible states the World is just about 10,000 years old. this is, of course, contrary to all evidence.

Can the Creationist Theory show ANY evidence that the world is only 10,000 years old, or that Man just sprang out of the dirt (as far as I've seen, there is no DNA similarity between humans and dirt), or that evolution does not (at any level) occur?

The question of Micro vs Macro evolution is not really a question at all, as the Macrotic changes in species result from Microtic changes at the DNA level. And you cant get smaller than the acid groups that form DNA unless you go all the way to their elemental states.

We can manipulate the genes in DNA with current technology. This is an example of evolution. Some manipulations yield results that are favorable, some don't. I think the biggest barrier to people who cannot even begin to accept Evolution is Time, itself. It is the inability to conceive of millions, even billions of years, when our own time on Earth is limited to 70 to 90 years.

Imagine if Human kind had been the dominant species on this planet for the last 1,000,000,000 years. Would we look like what we do now? Would we, as a species, not change AT ALL in one billion years? I, for one, think that would be tremendously sad.
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