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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:44 am    Post subject: Obama'rama Reply with quote

Well, no surprise tonight. Maybe a tad bigger win for Obama than I thought, but the writing has been on the wall for a while.

I should preface this by saying that I certainly don't agree with Obama or liberals on many and probably most things, but being a Libertarian by inclination I don't much agree with Republicans or right wingers either. Democratic = maternalistic, Republicans = paternalistic, both a pain in the butt.

I am not unhappy to see an African-American elected president though, it is an historic moment and does help to close an ugly chapter of our history. I don't think Obama ran a campaign based on his race, and I give him credit for that. It's a small silver lining...

One other silver lining is the fact that it looks so far as if the Democrats are NOT going to get the 60 vote "super majority" in the Senate. This is a very good thing (if it holds) since it really means two important things:

1) Although with the strong majorities in the House and Senate the liberals are going to pass a lot of stuff I don't agree with , the fact that the Republicans can still successfully filibuster in the Senate means that at least the worst of the socialist inclinations of Obama, Pelosi and Reed can be held in check.

2) Most importantly the Republicans will still have the power to deny Obama the ability to put really liberal judicial activists on the Supreme Court. When he does get an opportunity (and he will at least 2-3 times over his term) he will have to bring along enough Republicans to get cloture in the Senate and that isn't going to happen if he want to put a real radical on the court.

If the Democrats had (or god forbid do, there is still a SLIM chance as of this writing) achieved a super majority, it would have been a disaster. P.J. O'Rourke hit the nail on the head when he said "Giving money and power to politicians is like giving beer and car keys to teenage boys".

Here's hoping that a decent Republican with Libertarian leanings will come to the forefront in the next 4 years. Not someone pushing a religious "social agenda", which is just as bad as the liberal agenda, but a level headed true "conservative" who believes in free enterprise, avoiding foreign entanglements, smaller government, realizing that the constitution states SPECIFICALLY what the government can do, not that anything not specifically prohibited is fair game, that what people do with, put in, or have sex with their own bodies is their business, and not the government's.

I wish him well. He is not the candidate I would have chosen, but then McCain was all wrong too. In some ways I would rather see a younger more even tempered person in the office than a cranky 70 year old about to drop dead leaving a brain dead second place beauty contest winner to run the country. We have already had 8 years of someone BRAIN DEAD running the country.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget about ol' Dr. Paul. He is the man who hopefully wont give up. I am just dumbfounded he didn't get anywhere this time around. He was bleeding common sense, and had answers for everything, where the others just avoided the important issues.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morgoth wrote:
Don't forget about ol' Dr. Paul. He is the man who hopefully wont give up. I am just dumbfounded he didn't get anywhere this time around. He was bleeding common sense, and had answers for everything, where the others just avoided the important issues.


I like Paul on a lot of levels, but I can't warm up to politicians who are on the "radical" fringes of ANY of the philosophies. Ron Paul is so far out there in his "purist Libertarian" stance that he was almost a cartoon character in the primaries. Fun to watch, but umm... really?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't get that from him... although he was always labeled as a radical. Media made him out to look more radical... although I know you are not the type to get washed over by the media. Sure he had some views that are a bit independent from the rest... and would never fly through congress... but i think his theories are the correct, and maybe radical way to make the real changes we need. His gold standard views, abolishing the fed, IRS... foreign affairs bs... are too good to be true i think. But still, they are better ideas than any other candidate had ever bothered with. If you haven't read his book, I would highly suggest it... and it doesn't come across as radical... just more conservative and constitutionalist.

1. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that elected leaders should really obey the U.S. Constitution.

2. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that before the United States invades and occupies another country, Congress must first declare war.

3. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe the federal government should live within its means, like everyone else is forced to do.

4. You might be a Constitutionalist if you think that taking away people's liberties in the name of security is neither patriotic nor does it make the country more secure.

5. You might be a Constitutionalist if you would like to see politicians be forced to abide by the same laws they make everyone else submit to.

6. You might be a Constitutionalist if you understand that we have three coequal branches of government that are supposed to hold each other in check and balance.

7. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that the federal government has no authority to be involved in education or law enforcement.

8. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that gun control laws do nothing but aid and abet criminals while trampling the rights and freedoms of law abiding citizens.

9. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that the income tax is both unconstitutional and immoral and, along with the I.R.S., should be abolished.

10. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe the federal government had no authority to tell Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore that he could not display a monument containing the Ten Commandments in the Alabama Judicial Building in Montgomery.

11. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that neither Congress nor the White House nor any sovereign state is required to submit to unconstitutional Supreme Court rulings such as the Roe v Wade decision.

12. You might be a Constitutionalist if you understand that freedom has nothing in common with illegal immigration.

13. You might be a Constitutionalist if you understand that outsourcing American jobs overseas is not good for America.

14. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that the United States should get out of the United Nations and get the United Nations out of the United States.

15. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that it is not unconstitutional for children in public schools to pray or read the Bible.

16. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that the Boy Scouts are not a threat to America.

17. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that the federal government should honor its commitments to America's veterans.

18. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that U.S. troops should never serve under foreign commanders or wear the uniform or insignia of the United Nations.

19. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that the federal government has no business bribing churches and faith-based organizations with federal tax dollars.

20. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that federal agents who murder American citizens should be held to the same laws and punishments that any other citizen would be held to.

21. You might be a Constitutionalist if you understand that NAFTA, GATT, the WTO, and the FTAA are disastrous compromises of America's national sovereignty and independence.

22. You might be a Constitutionalist if you would like to see Congressmen and Senators be required to actually read a bill before passing it into law.

23. You might be a Constitutionalist if you understand that it is the job of government to protect and secure God-given rights not use its power to take those rights away.

24. You might be a Constitutionalist if you understand that there is nothing unconstitutional with the public acknowledgement of God and our Christian heritage.

25. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that in the beginning God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

26. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that airport screeners have no business touching women's breasts and confiscating fingernail clippers.

27. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that many public schools' "zero-tolerance" policies are just plain stupid.

28. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that parents have a right to home school their children.

29. You might be a Constitutionalist if you believe that governmental seizure of private property is plain, old fashioned thievery.

30. You might be a Constitutionalist if you would like to meet one single Congressman or Senator beside Ron Paul who acts as if he or she has ever read the U.S. Constitution.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then call me a Constitutionalist! Cool

I think of myself as somewhat conservative, but I really don't care if a politician is liberal or conservative. To me it's more important that they be a "Constitutionalist".

That sounds a thousand times better than the two current idiotic parties!

Yes I tend to vote Republican (not always), but I always vote the lesser of two evils and that sucks!

I say we throw all the Republicans and Democrats into a river and pull the Constitution back out and start following it!

Now that would be a CHANGE and really give us HOPE!

It seems like the only choices any more are liberal communists or moderate socialists. And yes I use that to describe both of the current top two parties. Neither party is worth a crap.

Just my not so humble opinion! Wink
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