Whats The Matter With Kids/Teens These Days? A Thought....

I know I havn't posted in a while, been busy trying to get my business up and running and working out the kinks. Anyways, a local radio station mentioned this, and I just had to write in and comment because she asked what was wrong with the kids these days. Below is the link about the story, and the follow up email I sent to the DJ on the radio station.

http://www.newser.com/story/20553.html?rss=y

Hmm, sounds like a pet peeve of mine!

Well considering that she was 16. She could be trialed as a minor. If she is trialed as a minor and loses the case, then when she is 21, her criminal record is cleaned. So whatever teens/kids do these days they are not held accountable. Sure she may get some punishment, but the punishment will not last the rest of her life, it will just end when she turns 21, and her criminal record is cleared. Just like every other law.

Kids do not know what they are doing because they are not disciplined. If a parent hits there kid these days its considered child abuse, in the past, it was just considered discipline. Parents wonder sometime while their kids don't listen to them, because they are not disciplined. I remember back in the day that if I did something wrong, that was my but. Oh and yeah, you thought twice before doing it again because you know if your parents found out they would discipline you. The law even knew this. The law would send you home to your parents, because they knew that your parents back in the day would discipline you better than they ever could.

These days, kids/teens are not held accountable for anything they do. According to the law, they do not know what they are doing. These are the same kids, such as you said today can murder their family, same kids that can steal a car, such as in New Orleans and with that stolen car kill 2 people. To a normal person this would be vehicular homicide, and that would be it there record would be scared the rest of their lives. These kids have nothing to worry about, they are not screwing up their life. As I said before, their record is cleared when they hit 21.

Go back to the old days, where the kids are allowed to discipline. I mean discipline, not abuse, there is a fine line, but these days, and sort of marks from discipline are considered immediate abuse. Go back to the old days of discipline, and these problems would disappear. The problem is that the kids/teens do not have to worry about the consequences of their actions. They are not going to get reprimanded like they should. Today its just a simple slap on the wrist, saying not to do it again.

Just an insight, you mentioned, it I am just adding fuel to the fire!

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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 3:17 pm Post subject:

Parental discipline and self discipline.

We sure could use more of those!

Teach a child they are nothing more than an animal, and then be suprised that they act like one. Confused

Try taking something away from a wild animal that it doesn't want to give up.

You'll probably get the same results.

I'm not too excited to see what starts happening with the next generation.

We'll probably be making comments like:
I remember when all you had to worry about was the occassional school shootings now they have weapons of mass destruction in schools.

We live in the greatest country in the world, but it sure needs a heart transplant!
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject:

There are so many things that have contributed to the decline of our culture, it would be difficult to know where to start. However, I agree with Studdog about parental discipline being a big factor.

I am a firm believer in corporal punishment, properly applied. My daughter used to get angry after a spanking and tell me that at school they said what I did was abuse and that she should call the police. I would bring her the phone and tell her to go ahead and call. I would be out on bail in less than a day and she would be placed in government foster care for the remainder of her childhood. She opted not to call.

I explained to her that the spanking was the consequence of her behavior. Her punishment now was a spanking or grounding, or both. However, after she turned 18 and was no longer "my responsibility," the consequence could very well be jail time. Thus, she must learn that her actions dictate the consequences.

I found that nothing else got through to my daughter quite as effectively as a spanking. My son, on the other hand, seldom got to that point. Simply the threat of a spanking was often enough to get him to straighten up and fly right. This was because when they were warned that a spanking was on the horizon, and then continued with the bad behavior, the spanking followed. I always warned first and then followed up. Before administering the spanking I would sit next to my child and ask them, "Do you know why you are getting a spanking?" "Yes," was the reply. I would then have them actually state WHY they were getting it. They would then say something to the effect, "Because you told me if I did that again I would be spanked."

This reinforced the fact that the consequence was a direct result of their actions. Now my daughter is 18 and my son 15. So far so good as far as any major problems with either of them. However, only time will tell if my methods have been beneficial. I continue to hold out hope that they have learned from their punishments.
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject:

Wow, I got a reply from my email. Not as intelligent as what has appeared here, but it was a reply.

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject:

Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject:

Remember, this is the comment from the talent of a radio DJ! Rolling Eyes

What you expect? LOL
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject:

I fully agree. When I was in elementary school, kids got the ol' wooden paddle with holes drilled in it. I am 29 now. Wasn't too long ago that even teachers could do something as well if they wished. Although by no means is it their job to teach kids what parents are supposed to.

In high school I threw a paper airplane into my poor old teachers head, and she did nothing but grinned. I should have gotten a butt whoopin'.

If i had kids of my own, I'd still swat them like i was when I was a kid. i don't care what laws say. The kid can cry all they want. If it is done right, the kids would know it wasn't legit abuse. I have learned that kids actually like being punished for their wrong doings... it means someone cares, that a loved one is watching over them. I blame those that sit on their butts and do nothing because some entity is telling them to.

It's truly a decline in principle, ideals, and trying to make each and every American a better person to better the country.

I got the wooden spoon, I got the "your fired" from a boss, i got the slap across the face. And you know what? I knew then that I deserved it, and i still know that now. I admire my single mother for being able to give it all that she had to raise me. It wasn't easy as I was kind of rough around the edges as a kid. But here I am... happy that i got a butt whoopin'.
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject:

heck its terrible i'll admitt that we need more discipline now a days if u smack ur kid its a law suite or something its garbage heck i like when people criticize me i use it for next time i got a butt whooping when i was little its garbage how all these law suites and stuff can happen

Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:14 am Post subject:

in the areas I live in, the school districts have instituted a policy that if you are more than 20 minutes late picking up your child from school, the child is then sent to the police station, where "child protective services" is notified, and your child is placed in "protective custody" pending an investigation.

I would like to point out that the same school districts also housed : a principal convicted of dealing crystal meth and gay sex acts, several "special" students convicted of rape of a minor, and oh yeah, FAILED to pass the state mandated minimums for test scores.

let the kids do whatever they want... I'm investing in marshmallows. That way, i'll make a fortune when the world starts burning.
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:22 am Post subject:

*raises hand* I am a youth, i wonder how screwed up i am, lol.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:33 am Post subject:

Well Innocent, from a cop's perspective, our laws do nothing to kids who commit crimes. Here in California, the liberals have done away with laws involving kids for : Truancy, curfew, being a run away, being incorrigible. Not to mention that CA did away with the old rule, that criminal records of minors are sealed after the kid turns 18, so in turn, juvenile probation has taken over what punishment the kids get. Because they dont want a bunch of kids with records, they have established a ton of diversion programs for kid offenders. HOWEVER, probation after the kid is assigned a diversion and he/she fails to complete the diversion program, probation simple closes out the case, with nothing further. So the sh--head kids who commit violent crimes dont get punished. Well what is that teaching the youth of today. Do the crime and nothing will happen to you, that is exactly why kids do more and more violent crime. The parent in this actually try to correct the daughter, but society/laws have empowered the kids to do what ever they want to do. I better stop now before I go into a total Tirade. Laughing

Over the last 24 years of working as a cop, I have seen a decline of kids and the laws we used to control them, and it is not getting any better.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:57 pm Post subject:

As a TEXAS peace officer, I must agree with Col Hogan, enforcement of juvenile law has become way too relaxed. It didnt happen overnight. The original purpose of seperating adult/juvenile offenders was to protect juveniles from the adult criminal element. I can agree with the intent there.

It then sought to remove "the taint of criminality" from a juveniles actions. This basically means the courts recognize children are not able to make rational decisions and do not know right from wrong, which is total hogwash if you ask me. People, juvenile or not, will almost always live up to expectations put on them. If there are no expectations, there is no internal drive to perform or attain a goal.

In Tx, violent crimes (at least felonies) committed by a juvenile can result in being certified as an adult, although this usually is only the case in very serious crimes; ie, drive-by shootings, murder, sexual assault, etc.

Bottom line is parents have dropped the ball. Alot of parents raised as latch -key kids (<raises hand) may not have the LEARNED parenting skills needed to actually raise a kid of their own. i have heard way more times than I care to "Help my kid is outa control, call 911!" when a good 'ol fashioned rip to the wood shed would have fixed the problem years ago.

But I digress.....
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:41 am Post subject:

I can remember back when I was a youth getting "The board of education applied to the seat of learning"... (multiple times, I wasn't a very good kid) Then of course, when I got home, my mother took it upon herself to "reinforce" what I had been taught that day... Then when dad got home, I got it again "for putting your mother through that"... Obviously, double and triple jeopardy were not against the rules back then...

Of course, now days all 3 of them would be sitting in jail, and I would be a ward of the state or living with relatives...

Back when the world was real, it was just simple discipline...
And yes, I too was a "latch-key kid"... From the 2nd grade on... Mom and dad divorced when I was young, so I also came from a "broken home"...

Now I'm 40ish, married with children of my own, have held a full time job in industrial maintenance since I was 18, pay my taxes and discipline my kids as needed...

I must really be screwed up in the head...
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